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Le due crisiJean-Paul Fitoussi

Professor, IEP Paris

President, OFCE

Milano, 3 Dicembre 2009

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I. Faits – Facts - Fatti

II. Interprétation – Interpretation – Interpretazione

III. L’altra Crisi – the other crisis – l’autre crise

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Una previsione di crescita mondiale negativa

PesoPil in volume

2008 2009 2010

Zone euro 16,4 0,6 -3,3 -0,3

Regno Unito 3,4 0,7 -4,2 -0,4

Union européenne à 27 23,3 1,1 -3,2 -0,2

Europa 24,1 1,1 -3,1 -0,1

Stati Uniti 21,8 1,1 -2,6 0,1

Giapone 6,7 -0,8 -5,9 0,3

Paese industriali 56,3 0,8 -3,1 0,0

Russia 3,2 5,6 -3,0 0,0

Cina 11,0 8,5 4,1 7,2

Altri paesi di Asia 13,2 5,0 0,5 3,3

America latina 7,9 2,4 -3,4 0,2

Afrique 3,4 5,4 3,0 3,5

Medio-Oriente 2,5 6,1 3,0 3,0

Mondo 100 2,9 -1,5 1,5

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Zona Euro

PesoPil in volume

2008 2009 2010

Germania 4,4 1,0 -4,1 -0,3

Francia 3,2 0,7 -2,3 -0,2

Italia 2,8 -1,0 -3,9 -0,4

Spagna 2,1 1,2 -3,0 -0,7

olanda 1,0 2,0 -2,9 0,0

Belga 0,6 1,1 -3,0 0,2

Austria 0,5 1,6 -1,9 0,1

Finlanda 0,6 0,9 -2,6 0,4

Portugalo 0,4 0,1 -2,6 -0,1

Grecia 0,3 3,2 0,0 0,4

Irlanda 0,3 -1,1 -4,0 -0,1

Zona euro 16,4 0,6 -3,3 -0,3

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Disoccupazione

Disoccupazion

e

(eurostat)

Numeri,

var. anno

Numeri,

var. mese

Tasso,

var. anno

Tasso,

var. mese

Stati Uniti 4 983 669 3.3 0.4

Regno Unito 451 52 1.4 0.2

Giappone 330 103 0.5 0.1

UE27 3 019 439 1.3 0.4

Produzione

industriale

Immatriculazioni

véh. part.

Commercio

Detaglio

fiducia

famiglie

Stati Uniti -11.9% -37.6% -10.2% -2.9%

Regno Unito -11.4% -21.7% 3.6% -5.8%

Giappone -36.6% -29.2% -2.2% -7.5%

UE27 -7.2% -17.6% -0.5% -6.6%

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Quale equilibrio per la capitalisazione mondiale ?

0%

10%

20%

30%

40%

50%

60%

70%

80%

90%

100%

1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009

USA

UE

RdM

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L’andamento recente delle borse non cambia molto

4T$

6T$

8T$

10T$

12T$

14T$

16T$

18T$

2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009

Union européenne

USA

Lehmann Brother fait faillite

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il tasso delle obligazione BBB supera10%

2

3

4

5

6

7

8

9

10

11

12

2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009

AAA AA A BBB

Taux sur obligations privées européennes suivant la notation

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le notazione vanno giù

-25

-20

-15

-10

-5

0

5

10

15

1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009

USAUnion EuropéenneMonde

Solde augmentation/diminution des notations obligations privées Moody's

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Una più grande inerzia della Francia

20

25

30

35

1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009

k$ 2005/an/habitant, PPA

France

Allemagne

Italie

Royaume Uni

Japon

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Pil per testa

0.65

0.67

0.69

0.71

0.73

0.75

0.77

0.79

0.81

0.83

0.85

1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009

2005/an/habitant, PPA , USA=1

France

Allemagne

Italie

Royaume UniJapon

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Le primo trimestre 2009 est peggio delle aspettative!

-6

-4

-2

0

2

4

6

95

100

105

110

115

120

125

1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009

USA

Zone euro

Croissance du PIB par tête, T/T-4, en %Niveau du PIB par tête, 100 en 1998

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II. Interprétation – Interpretation – Interpretazione

II.1. Inégalités – Inequalities – Disuguaglianze

II.2. Déséquilibres globaux – Global Imbalances –

Squilibri Globali

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II. Interprétation – Interpretation – Interpretazione

II.1. Inégalités – Inequalities – Disuguaglianze

In a nutshell the story can be told the following way: at the outset there is

an increase in inequalities which depressed aggregate demand and

prompted monetary policy to react by maintaining a low level of interest

rate which itself allowed mainly private debt to increase beyond

sustainable levels. On the other hand the search for high-return

investment by those who benefited from the increase in inequalities led to

the emergence of bubbles which gave the impression that asset prices

were high enough to allow for such a level of debt. Net wealth was thus

overvaluated. The crisis revealed itself when the bubbles exploded, and

net wealth returned to normal level.

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II. Interprétation – Interpretation – Interpretazione

II.1. Inégalités – Inequalities – Disuguaglianze

So although the crisis may have emerged in the financial sector, its roots

are much deeper and lie in a structural change in income distribution that

had been going on for twenty-five years. From this perspective, what

caused the crisis had been building up endogenously.

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II. Interprétation – Interpretation – Interpretazione

II.2. Déséquilibres globaux – Global Imbalances –

Squilibri Globali

Global demand ran into further problems because of the way the Asia

crisis of 1997 was managed. The international financial institutions

imposed at that time to the countries which needed help a structural

adjustment program and in particular very restrictive macroeconomic

policies.

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II. Interprétation – Interpretation – Interpretazione

II.2. Déséquilibres globaux – Global Imbalances –Squilibri Globali

These countries had no choice but to conduct pro-cyclical policies. Most

countries learnt during this episode that to avoid such tutelage, they need

to self-insure against macroeconomic instabilities, and that the only way

of doing it was to accumulate reserves. This pressed down global

demand even further.

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III. L’altra crisi – The other crisis – L’autre crise

III.1. Punti communi

- primo punto in communo : entrambe hanno come

consequenza la reintroduzione, in condizione di urgenza, del

potere pubblico, incaricato di evitare il colasso generale. Per

almeno due ragioni : il disfunzionamente dei mercati e/o la loro

assenza.

- seundo punto in commune : il problemo nasce della

« preferenza per il presente » o meglio del deprezzamente del

futuro.

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III. L’altra crisi – The other crisis – L’autre crise

III.2. Sostenabilità

At the micro level, sustainability means that individuals and/or

families think that the future for them and their children and

grandchildren will be better than the past, or at least not worse

than the present.

Whatever measure we devise, we have to recognize that it will be

grounded on our present imperfect knowledge of the future. Even

high levels of consumption of natural ressources might be

sustainable, if there is rapid enough tecnological progress.

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III. L’altra crisi – The other crisis – L’autre crise

III.2. Sostenabilità

Still, it is important for any society to form an assessment, no matter how

imperfect, about whether its current consumption or well-being is sustainable, and

whether this is coming at the expense of future generations. We can ascertain

whether a society’s wealth is increasing or decreasing (per capita). If

(appropriately measured) it is increasing, then presumably society can do in the

future whatever it did today, i.e. it can sustain its per-capita income. But we need a

comprehensive measure of wealth, and we need to be sure that the valuations are

correct. A comprehensive measure obviously includes measures of physical

capital, human capital and natural capital (including the environment). Changes in

capital include those arising from investment in plant and equipment, education,

the depletion of natural resources, depreciation of physical capital, and

environmental degradation.

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III. L’altra crisi – The other crisis – L’autre crise

III.2. Sostenabilità

What is relevant, of course, is not just the level of aggregate consumption, but

also particular policies. There is, for instance, concern that America’s health care

system is unsustainable, in the sense that it seems to require an ever-increasing

share of GDP. Some economists use forecasts of future prices to estimate the

necessary taxes that would have to be levied to sustain it, or, in the absence of

additional taxes, the magnitude of the debt. One has to be careful, however, using

such naïve extrapolations. Something will have to adjust – the policies are

correctly identified as “non-sustainable”. But it is probably wrong to infer that

expenditures will simply increase in the way forecast. There are limits to the share

of GDP that a society will be willing to devote to medical care.

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III. L’altra crisi – The other crisis – L’autre crise

III.2. Sostenabilità

The most serious distortions in market prices arise out of the failure to

price scarce environmental resources. The market today assigns no or

a low price to carbon emissions, and yet there is a broad scientific

consensus that there is a real scarcity value. The world is rapidly using

up the available global “carbon space”, but those who are using it are

not being charged. The result is that the prices of all goods and

services that make use of this carbon space – essentially all goods and

services – are being distorted.

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III. L’altra crisi – The other crisis – L’autre crise

III.2. Sostenabilità

There have been many attempts at building indicators of sustainable

development. Some of them directly stem from an accounting framework

(the Nordhaus-Tobin approach) and are therefore familiar to economists or

accountants. Many of these have been based on the Samuelson-Hicks

welfare approach. Some others are more specifically environmental and

have become very popular amongst NGOs and environmentalists. Several

statistical bodies or scholars have, in parallel, developed eclectic

approaches that combine several dimensions of sustainability, under the

form either of extensive dashboards or of so-called “composite” indicators

that add up, in one way or another, various indicators to form an “index”.

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-50,00

-40,00

-30,00

-20,00

-10,00

0,00

10,00

20,00

30,00

40,00

50,00

1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 2005

% GNI

China France

United States Saudi Arabia

Heavily indebted poor countries (HIPC)

ANS for selected countries, 1970-2006

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Humanity’s ecological footprint by component 1961-2005

Source : Ewing et al. (2008).

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Geographical distribution for Adjusted Net Savings

Source : World Bank, data for 2006.

Reading: Countries are ranked from the most unsustainable (in white) to the most sustainable (in dark). Non-sustainability can be due either to the overextraction of exhaustible resources or to low investment in human and physical capital. The frontiers of countries with missing values are not represented.

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Ecological footprint by country

Source : Global Footprint Network, data for 2005.

Reading : Dark areas correspond to countries with the highest values for the ecological footprint, i.e. with the highest contributions to worldwilde unsustainability. Countries with missing values are not represented.